1 00:00:00,017 --> 00:00:00,377 Thank you. 2 00:00:04,317 --> 00:00:10,577 Can you hear me OK? Is it OK? Good. So I'm going to present about this new initiative, 3 00:00:11,157 --> 00:00:14,037 and it's a continuation of the past initiative, the Bowing of a Foss. 4 00:00:14,557 --> 00:00:19,477 I have a lot of resources in the slides. If you want to download them, there's a QR code. 5 00:00:19,777 --> 00:00:22,797 You can also get it from the repository, and I'll come back to this at the end. 6 00:00:25,077 --> 00:00:28,557 So we started this new initiative. And before I go into detail, 7 00:00:28,697 --> 00:00:31,457 it's already been referenced several times in several of the talks that were 8 00:00:31,457 --> 00:00:35,137 amazing yesterday from Nicole, Cornelius, and Joanna. 9 00:00:36,437 --> 00:00:39,377 But before I get started, I usually like to ask the public a couple of questions. 10 00:00:39,797 --> 00:00:46,577 And I'm not going to skip that today. So raise your hand if this applies to you. 11 00:00:46,917 --> 00:00:52,637 How many of you have bought organic food or fair trade products in the past month? 12 00:00:53,117 --> 00:00:55,237 Just raise your hand. Oh, wow. Great. Okay. 13 00:00:56,737 --> 00:01:01,637 How many of you have decided to ride a bike or take public transportation when you could have driven? 14 00:01:03,537 --> 00:01:08,037 Amazing. Great. How many of you have bought an electric vehicle or installed 15 00:01:08,037 --> 00:01:11,837 solar panels in the past year or so? Amazing. Wow. A lot of people here. 16 00:01:12,457 --> 00:01:16,697 So I want you to keep that in mind, okay, as I go through the talk. 17 00:01:16,817 --> 00:01:19,677 I have one more question and just yell it out if you have an answer to it. 18 00:01:19,797 --> 00:01:21,037 Why did you do these things? 19 00:01:21,317 --> 00:01:26,057 All of them cost potentially more time, energy, and money in some cases. 20 00:01:26,057 --> 00:01:27,417 Why did you do these things? 21 00:01:30,857 --> 00:01:35,117 No backup plans, sorry. Why is it the right thing to do? 22 00:01:36,837 --> 00:01:38,657 Because it's sustainable. That's one reason. It's sustainable. 23 00:01:38,937 --> 00:01:39,877 What are some other reasons? 24 00:01:40,937 --> 00:01:44,677 It's healthy. It's good for your own health. Perhaps also good for other people's 25 00:01:44,677 --> 00:01:46,737 health and the world's health. Yeah, other reasons? 26 00:01:47,817 --> 00:01:50,937 Because I can advocate for it if I don't do it myself. 27 00:01:51,397 --> 00:01:54,617 You can't advocate for it if you don't do it yourself. Yeah, 28 00:01:54,677 --> 00:01:56,817 yeah, yeah. Yeah, you have to walk the walk if you talk the talk. 29 00:01:56,997 --> 00:01:58,597 Yeah. Any other reasons? 30 00:02:00,877 --> 00:02:04,477 There's no viable alternative in some cases, perhaps. Yeah. 31 00:02:06,017 --> 00:02:08,977 There's no planet B, the sustainability reason. Yeah. 32 00:02:09,077 --> 00:02:12,797 So I'm going to argue that many of those reasons that you do this, 33 00:02:12,857 --> 00:02:15,937 that you overcome certain obstacles, maybe it costs more money, 34 00:02:16,017 --> 00:02:18,977 maybe it takes more energy from you, maybe it takes more time, 35 00:02:19,017 --> 00:02:21,077 is the same reason people should install Linux. 36 00:02:21,877 --> 00:02:24,897 That's going to be the main argument of my talk today. And that's the sort of 37 00:02:24,897 --> 00:02:26,137 main thrust for this project. 38 00:02:27,017 --> 00:02:32,397 I'm going to do that in four parts. The first part, why do this, 39 00:02:32,557 --> 00:02:34,717 which I'm titling, this is not fine. 40 00:02:36,517 --> 00:02:40,177 Second part, what about the past project, the Blauwegen for Foss? How does it relate? 41 00:02:41,777 --> 00:02:46,137 The third part is actually the new project, this opt-in, opt-out, opt-green. 42 00:02:46,937 --> 00:02:50,597 And the final part is how to contribute. attribute. So many of you know the 43 00:02:50,597 --> 00:02:54,477 this is fine dog sitting in a burning house, right? 44 00:02:57,311 --> 00:03:03,231 Here's the continuation of that strip, if you just wait long enough, right? 45 00:03:04,771 --> 00:03:08,551 Suddenly, the dog is also on fire. This is not fine. Oh, my God, 46 00:03:08,591 --> 00:03:11,871 everything's on fire. What the hell is my problem? Okay. 47 00:03:12,371 --> 00:03:17,311 Now, any of you have seen my talks. The topic of why we're doing this is familiar. 48 00:03:17,431 --> 00:03:23,511 Anyone who reads the news knows why sustainability and the climate crisis is a crisis. 49 00:03:24,051 --> 00:03:26,491 But just to go over that in brief. 50 00:03:27,311 --> 00:03:30,111 So this is from April this year. 51 00:03:30,451 --> 00:03:34,871 The Antarctic jumped to a staggering almost 40 degrees Celsius. 52 00:03:34,891 --> 00:03:36,491 It's the coldest place on Earth. 53 00:03:38,271 --> 00:03:40,811 Penguins, so I'm going to refer to penguins a few times in these slides, 54 00:03:40,891 --> 00:03:47,711 both in terms of the endangered animal who are at high risk to evolve to accommodate 55 00:03:47,711 --> 00:03:51,531 these changes, as well as penguins in the sense of Lenox. 56 00:03:53,451 --> 00:03:57,031 Ocean temperatures are at the highest they've ever been recorded. 57 00:03:58,471 --> 00:04:03,611 Um, this is just from three days ago, um, um, Copernicus, the EU agency measuring 58 00:04:03,611 --> 00:04:06,991 climate change, um, has reported this as the hottest year ever. 59 00:04:08,031 --> 00:04:11,191 Um, there are children who are born today or this, this year, 60 00:04:11,271 --> 00:04:13,271 this is going to be the coldest summer they ever experienced. 61 00:04:16,331 --> 00:04:22,851 It's really that hot and it's really our fault, right? This is from a, this is a Masson on toot. 62 00:04:22,851 --> 00:04:30,691 You can't quite read the graph, but it's showing in various metrics that in 63 00:04:30,691 --> 00:04:35,811 every possible way, the data is going up with one exception. 64 00:04:35,951 --> 00:04:41,031 So the temperature, global temperature is going up. The sea levels are rising. 65 00:04:41,111 --> 00:04:45,871 The time of year when the cherry blossoms bloom is earlier and earlier, etc. 66 00:04:46,011 --> 00:04:48,651 The one exception is the sea ice, which is melting. 67 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:54,911 And this is from a climate scientist in the UK. He says, everywhere we look, 68 00:04:54,971 --> 00:04:56,051 the climate is changing rapidly. 69 00:04:56,451 --> 00:05:01,411 These changes are not natural, right? We are doing this. We are causing this change. 70 00:05:03,151 --> 00:05:07,331 Oh my God, Jesus, what the, was I even thinking? There was no reason to let 71 00:05:07,331 --> 00:05:09,791 it last this long and get this bad. 72 00:05:11,382 --> 00:05:16,602 We've known about this for a long time. This is an article from a magazine called 73 00:05:16,602 --> 00:05:18,202 Popular Mechanics from 1912. 74 00:05:18,862 --> 00:05:24,102 This is already about 60 years after the first scientist, Eunice Newton Foote, 75 00:05:24,242 --> 00:05:28,882 discovered that CO2 caused the temperature to rise when interacting with the 76 00:05:28,882 --> 00:05:30,422 sun and took longer to cool down. 77 00:05:31,782 --> 00:05:36,482 Her research was first presented by a man and only later published under her name. 78 00:05:37,482 --> 00:05:42,762 In 1912, it was commented that adding CO2 tends to make the air a more effective 79 00:05:42,762 --> 00:05:44,822 blanket for the Earth and to 80 00:05:44,822 --> 00:05:47,482 raise its temperature. This effect may be considerable in a few centuries. 81 00:05:48,062 --> 00:05:51,482 OK, we're one century later and it is considerable. 82 00:05:52,282 --> 00:05:56,262 What does this have to do with us here? So this is a graph that I've used in 83 00:05:56,262 --> 00:05:57,442 pretty much every talk I've given. 84 00:05:57,502 --> 00:06:03,482 It's from the Association of Computing Machinery, where they look at the role 85 00:06:03,482 --> 00:06:05,202 of ICT in climate change. 86 00:06:05,802 --> 00:06:08,582 And they it's a really nice 87 00:06:08,582 --> 00:06:11,702 report it's very short it gives a nice summary of the state 88 00:06:11,702 --> 00:06:15,242 of things the comparison that 89 00:06:15,242 --> 00:06:20,042 they make that the average of the co2 emissions from the ict sector is roughly 90 00:06:20,042 --> 00:06:26,022 on a par with the aviation industry the main contributors to this are training 91 00:06:26,022 --> 00:06:28,762 of large language models that was discussed a little bit earlier this morning 92 00:06:28,762 --> 00:06:34,002 the number of internet connected devices, often for short-term use. 93 00:06:34,322 --> 00:06:37,822 So they're not designed to last very long. It's another major contributor. 94 00:06:38,342 --> 00:06:40,222 Blockchain technology is a major contributor. 95 00:06:41,962 --> 00:06:48,382 And if nothing changes in the next 30 years, it will become a third of all CO2 emissions. 96 00:06:48,822 --> 00:06:54,722 Now, not all of this is bad, some digital technology is replacing worse polluters. 97 00:06:55,522 --> 00:07:03,282 But the emissions are rising so fast that this policy report comments that computing 98 00:07:03,282 --> 00:07:07,022 can help mitigate climate change, but it must first cease contributing to it first. 99 00:07:08,213 --> 00:07:11,333 And I'm going to go over that in a bit more detail. This is another meta-analysis 100 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:14,333 of some research scientists, Freitag et al. 101 00:07:14,473 --> 00:07:20,573 From 2021, looking at the different models predicting CO2 emissions from the ICT sector. 102 00:07:20,693 --> 00:07:23,093 What you notice here is, although some go up much more quickly, 103 00:07:23,193 --> 00:07:28,193 some go up more gradually, they're all going up, right? We're increasing our CO2 footprint. 104 00:07:30,093 --> 00:07:34,533 This is a report from the International Energy Agency looking at the energy 105 00:07:34,533 --> 00:07:35,553 consumption worldwide. 106 00:07:35,553 --> 00:07:41,053 Worldwide, and this is for the ICT sector, they find that it's about 8.5% of 107 00:07:41,053 --> 00:07:44,913 the energy consumption comes from the ICT sector, and they break it down in 108 00:07:44,913 --> 00:07:45,753 terms of different areas. 109 00:07:46,033 --> 00:07:51,773 And you can see here that the manufacturing is about half of all of the energy 110 00:07:51,773 --> 00:07:53,713 consumption driven by ICT. 111 00:07:55,653 --> 00:07:58,653 This is another report. This is from Apple's own environmental report, 112 00:07:58,853 --> 00:08:01,873 where they look at their CO2 emissions of the entire company. 113 00:08:02,413 --> 00:08:07,593 And they report that production is about 75% of their CO2 emissions. 114 00:08:11,273 --> 00:08:16,693 This is a nice graph from a Swiss university comparing different devices in 115 00:08:16,693 --> 00:08:18,493 terms of their usage and production costs. 116 00:08:19,133 --> 00:08:25,093 And you see here that desktop and laptop computers have overall higher CO2 emissions 117 00:08:25,093 --> 00:08:28,593 associated with them compared to tablets, smartphones, and printers. 118 00:08:28,593 --> 00:08:30,673 Tablets are incredibly efficient, surprisingly. 119 00:08:31,693 --> 00:08:35,193 But you see in all of them that production, the orange part of the bar plot, 120 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:40,473 is the most of the CO2 emissions associated with these devices. 121 00:08:46,635 --> 00:08:52,435 So, related to this, the International Council of Academies of Engineering and 122 00:08:52,435 --> 00:08:53,355 Technological Sciences, 123 00:08:53,655 --> 00:08:59,595 which is a large group of different engineering groups, research groups, 124 00:08:59,755 --> 00:09:04,515 said that we need to introduce judicious policies for the replacement of ICT 125 00:09:04,515 --> 00:09:08,395 equipment due to the high energy consumption for manufacturing of ICT, 126 00:09:08,615 --> 00:09:14,635 which represents half of the total, and the high environmental impact of ICT decommissioning. 127 00:09:15,155 --> 00:09:19,795 Which is then in this slide and this is the topic that Joanna presented yesterday about e-waste. 128 00:09:20,335 --> 00:09:26,635 You can see here a end-of-life treatment center in Ghana where our products 129 00:09:26,635 --> 00:09:30,435 when they end up in a end-of-life treatment center many of them don't. 130 00:09:30,895 --> 00:09:35,955 They are then broken apart and precious metals are taken out of them. 131 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:40,875 Here you see a picture of the cables being burnt to get the metals out from 132 00:09:40,875 --> 00:09:44,935 inside them. In the best case scenario, this pollutes the air, 133 00:09:45,075 --> 00:09:48,095 the water, the soil, and harms the health of the people working there. 134 00:09:48,235 --> 00:09:51,815 Worst case scenario, people are scavenging for toxic metals, 135 00:09:51,975 --> 00:09:54,355 which cause serious bodily harm. 136 00:09:55,315 --> 00:10:02,095 And the production of devices requires rare earth minerals that often come from 137 00:10:02,095 --> 00:10:04,995 places like the Congo, where people live in miserable conditions. 138 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:11,015 And there are human rights violations with child labor to get the cobalt out 139 00:10:11,015 --> 00:10:12,815 of the earth to make our batteries. 140 00:10:15,812 --> 00:10:21,132 In 2015, about 10 years ago, Achim Steiner from the UN Environmental Program 141 00:10:21,132 --> 00:10:23,992 commented there's a tsunami of e-waste. 142 00:10:24,852 --> 00:10:28,752 At that point, there was about 45 million tons of e-waste produced. 143 00:10:29,032 --> 00:10:34,332 If you were to make Eiffel Towers out of that, that would be the equivalent of 4,500 Eiffel Towers. 144 00:10:34,552 --> 00:10:38,032 If you stack those Eiffel Towers, it'd be 17 times higher than Mount Everest, 145 00:10:38,252 --> 00:10:39,752 right? It's a lot of e-waste. 146 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:46,732 It's only increased since then. In 2022, it was about 15 million tons more, and it's not going down. 147 00:10:47,652 --> 00:10:51,292 Only about 20% of e-waste actually gets recycled. 148 00:10:51,772 --> 00:10:58,692 And although it's only 2% of the e-waste in landfills, it contributes about 70% of the toxic waste. 149 00:11:00,352 --> 00:11:05,732 So before I go to the next slide, just to sum up, manufacturing has a huge cost. 150 00:11:05,992 --> 00:11:09,512 E-waste has a huge cost. Okay, keep those two things in mind. 151 00:11:11,612 --> 00:11:14,712 So what about the Blaue Engel for FOSS? So many of you may not know about the 152 00:11:14,712 --> 00:11:15,872 Blaue Engel for FOSS project. 153 00:11:16,092 --> 00:11:20,112 It was the previous government-funded project from the Umwelbundesamt, 154 00:11:20,192 --> 00:11:24,632 the German environment agency, related to the Blue Angel eco-label. 155 00:11:25,132 --> 00:11:28,672 The Blue Angel eco-label, the first version was published in 2020. 156 00:11:28,932 --> 00:11:31,012 The newest version was updated in 2024. 157 00:11:32,112 --> 00:11:35,312 Initially, it was just for desktop software. It's now been revised to include 158 00:11:35,312 --> 00:11:38,152 mobile apps and a server software. 159 00:11:38,932 --> 00:11:42,792 And it has three main categories, resource and energy efficiency, 160 00:11:43,052 --> 00:11:45,292 potential hardware operating life, and user autonomy. 161 00:11:46,172 --> 00:11:50,312 And the project Blau-Engel for FOSS recognized, so this is a more detailed list 162 00:11:50,312 --> 00:11:53,752 of those three main categories, recognized that the transparency. 163 00:11:56,232 --> 00:12:01,612 And the user autonomy criteria were very compatible with what free and open 164 00:12:01,612 --> 00:12:04,572 source software is already doing. Okay. 165 00:12:05,252 --> 00:12:08,952 Of course, there are ways that we can improve, but we're already meeting many of these criteria. 166 00:12:14,020 --> 00:12:19,600 And one of the ways that the criteria, one of the things that recognizes is 167 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,960 that there's environmental harm when you have vendor dependency, 168 00:12:22,220 --> 00:12:26,840 when you have vendor dependency for control over the software that you depend 169 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,040 on, when you have software that 170 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,020 is increasingly adding new features and becoming more and more bloated, 171 00:12:34,780 --> 00:12:39,100 that you have hardware obsolescence, planned obsolescence in the software, 172 00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:43,380 which results in requiring new and more powerful devices. 173 00:12:43,780 --> 00:12:47,260 That's one of the reasons why the requirements for the resource and energy efficiency 174 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:51,740 say that if you want to be eco-certified, it can't increase by more than 10% 175 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:55,760 in the energy consumption of that software while it's eco-certified. 176 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,800 It's to prevent this need for ever more powerful devices, 177 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,540 because those more and more powerful devices mean that older devices that aren't 178 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:09,640 as powerful get discarded as e-waste, or maybe the software support is no longer 179 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,240 there, it gets discarded as e-waste, and new devices are produced and shipped unnecessarily. 180 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,880 So I'm going to focus on a couple of aspects of that. So one is about the user 181 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,360 autonomy of deciding how your 182 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,460 software works, as well as the freedom for advertisement and tracking. 183 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,060 This is in Windows 11 now, you're going to have advertisements, 184 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,600 whether you want wanted or not in the start menu, that is something you can't 185 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,560 turn off and it consumes energy. 186 00:13:39,614 --> 00:13:44,774 So these changes result over time in having a situation like this. 187 00:13:44,854 --> 00:13:48,074 This is a report from the Umweltbundesamt, the German Environment Agency, 188 00:13:48,334 --> 00:13:52,514 comparing different word processors when doing the exact same thing. 189 00:13:52,914 --> 00:13:57,634 They don't identify which word processors were tested. You can probably guess. 190 00:13:58,134 --> 00:14:02,174 On the right is a proprietary word processor. On the left, it's a open source 191 00:14:02,174 --> 00:14:07,834 word processor. And again, to do the exact same thing, the proprietary wanted 192 00:14:07,834 --> 00:14:09,494 to consume four times the energy. 193 00:14:10,014 --> 00:14:12,274 To do the exact same thing. 194 00:14:15,774 --> 00:14:22,754 Again, going back to tracking and advertisements, this is a report about the 195 00:14:22,754 --> 00:14:29,114 energy consumption driven by unnecessary or unwanted data use. 196 00:14:29,934 --> 00:14:35,834 It was only for the EU and they estimated that about 60% of people would like 197 00:14:35,834 --> 00:14:37,794 to turn off ads and tracking if they could, 198 00:14:37,934 --> 00:14:45,534 but they can't, resulting in energy consumption in a year of about the city of Lisbon or Turin. 199 00:14:45,974 --> 00:14:50,574 Just by having that turned off would save that much energy. And this is for 200 00:14:50,574 --> 00:14:51,674 something that people don't want. 201 00:14:52,274 --> 00:14:58,294 So user autonomy, having control of your software, this can result in major 202 00:14:58,294 --> 00:15:03,034 energy savings once you scale it up, and results in devices being able to be used for longer. 203 00:15:05,554 --> 00:15:09,354 Hardware, so continuity of support is another criteria of the Blue Angel. 204 00:15:10,554 --> 00:15:13,594 Software support can greatly influence how long we can use devices. 205 00:15:13,974 --> 00:15:21,234 This is an estimate of how much e-waste will be produced by Windows 11 dropping 206 00:15:21,234 --> 00:15:26,634 support for devices that currently want run Windows 10. It's about 250 million computers. 207 00:15:29,937 --> 00:15:37,157 And Intel chips in Mac devices and Apple devices is slowly being phased out. 208 00:15:37,257 --> 00:15:41,377 I think the first ones have been phased out for the newest Mac OS update. 209 00:15:41,897 --> 00:15:44,997 And some of these devices are from 2019, 2020. 210 00:15:45,457 --> 00:15:48,817 Some of the devices here are probably similarly about that old. 211 00:15:48,917 --> 00:15:51,477 They're not that old. These are very powerful devices. 212 00:15:52,157 --> 00:15:57,217 The loss of that support means that in Apple's case, they'll get two years of 213 00:15:57,217 --> 00:16:02,057 security updates. and then the hardware becomes e-waste unless you do something 214 00:16:02,057 --> 00:16:03,337 about the software running on it. 215 00:16:06,557 --> 00:16:11,297 So these are like in the Blau Engel for FOSS, 216 00:16:12,657 --> 00:16:18,037 one of the things that we were focusing on is taking the criteria of the Blue 217 00:16:18,037 --> 00:16:21,857 Angel to free and open source software communities, to developer communities, 218 00:16:22,097 --> 00:16:28,857 and trying to promote the eco-certification of free and open-source software, 219 00:16:28,937 --> 00:16:32,477 since we're already meeting many of these criteria, and perhaps we can influence 220 00:16:32,477 --> 00:16:35,757 things like green public procurement, 221 00:16:36,377 --> 00:16:40,037 get more free software into public offices, 222 00:16:42,277 --> 00:16:46,177 and to promote it amongst consumers who might be interested in these kinds of things. 223 00:16:50,997 --> 00:16:54,877 But consumers seem to be aware of the problem, but maybe not aware of the solution. 224 00:16:55,617 --> 00:17:00,017 So this is a Eurobarometer poll from, I think, 2022, 225 00:17:00,477 --> 00:17:06,297 if I remember correctly, in which reasons for purchasing a new device were given 226 00:17:06,297 --> 00:17:10,257 that 30% said the performance of their old device had significantly deteriorated, 227 00:17:10,277 --> 00:17:15,037 and about 20% said certain applications or software stopped working on their old device. 228 00:17:15,037 --> 00:17:22,497 So, they're recognizing the problem and interest in sustainable products is increasing. 229 00:17:22,697 --> 00:17:27,977 This is an Economist report and from the WWF about the interest, 230 00:17:28,257 --> 00:17:33,577 the searches for sustainable software or sustainable products has gone up globally 231 00:17:33,577 --> 00:17:35,117 and across many different countries. 232 00:17:35,237 --> 00:17:38,577 And this is largely driven by environmental activists. 233 00:17:41,577 --> 00:17:44,737 And one of the things that I was asking is how many people, how many end users 234 00:17:44,737 --> 00:17:49,017 actually know that there is something like the Blue Angel, that there is this 235 00:17:49,017 --> 00:17:52,237 idea of sustainable software and eco-certification for software, 236 00:17:52,437 --> 00:17:55,797 that it actually means something, and that they can do something about this. 237 00:17:55,937 --> 00:18:01,217 That they don't have to discard their devices because it's getting too slow 238 00:18:01,217 --> 00:18:05,517 and the software isn't working if they know that there's other software they 239 00:18:05,517 --> 00:18:06,517 can run on their devices. 240 00:18:06,517 --> 00:18:12,837 So, to sum up the two past sections, which really motivated the writing of this 241 00:18:12,837 --> 00:18:17,677 proposal, manufacturing is a huge environmental, has huge environmental costs. 242 00:18:18,777 --> 00:18:22,077 Users seem to be aware of problems, but maybe not solutions. 243 00:18:23,277 --> 00:18:26,097 And when I was sitting there writing the proposal, and thank you to the KDEV 244 00:18:26,097 --> 00:18:30,997 for supporting me in this process, thank you to Nate's mom, who actually gave 245 00:18:30,997 --> 00:18:34,097 really great content feedback on one of the early drafts of the proposal. 246 00:18:36,537 --> 00:18:40,097 Decided on writing a proposal which we're calling OptGreen Sustainable Software 247 00:18:40,097 --> 00:18:41,077 for Sustainable Hardware. 248 00:18:41,477 --> 00:18:45,617 And the idea is to take what we're doing in KDEco, to take what the Blue Angel 249 00:18:45,617 --> 00:18:49,557 is doing in their criteria for certifying software as sustainable, 250 00:18:49,797 --> 00:18:54,077 and take it directly to end users, and in particular, those end users that we're 251 00:18:54,077 --> 00:18:55,077 calling eco-consumers. 252 00:18:55,197 --> 00:18:58,777 So all those people who are willing to take a little bit extra time, 253 00:18:58,857 --> 00:19:02,637 a little bit extra energy, maybe spend a little more money, as many people here 254 00:19:02,637 --> 00:19:04,217 are willing to do for other products, 255 00:19:04,437 --> 00:19:12,437 and align that with their digital products, to raise the issue that you might go and buy, you know. 256 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:19,557 I'm trying to think of the word, organic food at a market. I bought this on 257 00:19:19,557 --> 00:19:21,537 the way here, actually. There's a little market down the street. 258 00:19:23,477 --> 00:19:29,337 And not think that the phone that you throw away is also something you should be considering, right? 259 00:19:29,437 --> 00:19:33,857 And once you can bring those two things together, we might see that people are 260 00:19:33,857 --> 00:19:37,577 more and more interested in installing free software in order to keep their 261 00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:38,817 devices in use for longer. 262 00:19:40,749 --> 00:19:46,029 Because we're focusing on this particular target audience, we're interested in design. 263 00:19:46,249 --> 00:19:48,909 So this is something that when writing the proposal, I thought, 264 00:19:48,969 --> 00:19:50,609 OK, how are we going to address these people? 265 00:19:50,729 --> 00:19:55,769 And my sense is sitting in Europe, in Western Europe, with a North American 266 00:19:55,769 --> 00:19:58,149 background, that design really plays an important role. 267 00:19:58,369 --> 00:20:01,709 Now, someone brought up a question yesterday, what are we doing to address global communities? 268 00:20:01,949 --> 00:20:05,629 Now, this design approach may be different in different communities. 269 00:20:05,629 --> 00:20:08,769 If you are interested in the topic and you want to get involved, 270 00:20:09,389 --> 00:20:14,729 you're more than welcome to give us feedback, give ideas so that we can tailor 271 00:20:14,729 --> 00:20:18,489 our design for the communities that you want to address. 272 00:20:18,489 --> 00:20:25,969 But we have, this is a brand brief that our designer made, giving some guidelines 273 00:20:25,969 --> 00:20:29,209 for the kind of visual imagery that we want to use in this project. 274 00:20:29,269 --> 00:20:34,429 So that we can attract eco-consumers to free software using a visual language 275 00:20:34,429 --> 00:20:38,589 that might be familiar or attractive to that particular audience. 276 00:20:40,089 --> 00:20:46,149 We're revamping the website. Okay, I have plenty of time. We're revamping the website. site. 277 00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:50,469 Again, we have an existing website from the previous project, 278 00:20:50,569 --> 00:20:51,209 the Blaue Engelhoff FOS. 279 00:20:51,609 --> 00:20:58,469 We're now reshaping it for this new project and trying to incorporate past initiatives into it. 280 00:20:58,569 --> 00:21:01,309 We have three main areas. Be green. This is for end users. 281 00:21:01,869 --> 00:21:06,229 Grow green. These are for advocates who want to promote free software in terms of sustainability. 282 00:21:06,749 --> 00:21:10,269 And make green, which is for developers. And that's a continuation of much of 283 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:13,389 the work we are doing in the past project, which I'll come to in just a second. 284 00:21:15,089 --> 00:21:19,789 We have campaigns and advertisements. I have some pamphlets here. 285 00:21:20,309 --> 00:21:25,129 Here's a digital version of it, which we want to distribute at various events. 286 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:31,509 We have a budget for ads. We want to actually take out ads in magazines and 287 00:21:31,509 --> 00:21:38,469 print media to promote this in communities communities that may not be as active 288 00:21:38,469 --> 00:21:43,249 on social media or may be active in social media and in these other places. 289 00:21:43,329 --> 00:21:48,149 So we want to try to attract people who might be outside of our normal tech bubbles. 290 00:21:49,289 --> 00:21:52,789 If you have ideas for advertisements, please be in touch. 291 00:21:53,829 --> 00:22:00,669 We'd love your feedback. We're going to eco festivals, open air markets, organic shops. 292 00:22:01,149 --> 00:22:05,149 We want to take what we're doing in KDE, KDEco, 293 00:22:05,349 --> 00:22:10,289 what the free software world is doing, and take it directly to people that we're 294 00:22:10,289 --> 00:22:13,409 defining as eco-consumers, people who might be interested in sustainability 295 00:22:13,409 --> 00:22:18,449 aspects in other areas of life and trying to bring them into this digital sustainability world. 296 00:22:19,089 --> 00:22:24,749 This is actually a picture from April in Berlin. It's an eco-festival with, 297 00:22:24,829 --> 00:22:26,469 I think, 20,000 attendees. 298 00:22:31,873 --> 00:22:36,333 This is from the Lange Nacht der Wissenschaft, the Long Night of Sciences. 299 00:22:36,753 --> 00:22:40,253 We had a table at the Umweltbundesamt with the German Environment Agency, 300 00:22:40,973 --> 00:22:44,853 together with various other projects from the Umweltbundesamt. 301 00:22:45,173 --> 00:22:50,133 This is, you know, various devices running KDE and free software. 302 00:22:50,513 --> 00:22:57,133 We have some nice conkeys here from Albert's mom, a canoe over here, some pamphlets. 303 00:22:58,013 --> 00:23:02,893 This is a computer. have it here. It's from 2003. 304 00:23:04,093 --> 00:23:08,893 It was updated two days ago. It's running up to date G Compre on it. 305 00:23:08,953 --> 00:23:11,513 Now, I don't use this. I don't bring this necessarily to say, 306 00:23:11,593 --> 00:23:13,433 hey, you should use this computer. 307 00:23:14,313 --> 00:23:18,173 But the point that I'm trying to make when bringing this there is that there's 308 00:23:18,173 --> 00:23:22,773 no other operating system you could run on this if it's not free software. There's nothing. 309 00:23:23,193 --> 00:23:27,533 The only option you have is free software. And in fact, this was running Haiku. 310 00:23:28,113 --> 00:23:31,813 Haiku actually ports a lot of KDE software, which is nice. So I was able to 311 00:23:31,813 --> 00:23:34,893 have some games running on it with Gcompre. 312 00:23:35,053 --> 00:23:38,173 It was a great tool to get people interested. Kids would see it and immediately 313 00:23:38,173 --> 00:23:41,553 come to it and start playing, and then I could talk to the parents about digital 314 00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:44,813 sustainability and walk them through the pamphlet and how free software addresses 315 00:23:44,813 --> 00:23:47,573 many of the issues about hardware obsolescence. 316 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:54,893 One of the things we're doing is demoing, and I put in here parentheses unsupported 317 00:23:54,893 --> 00:23:56,733 hardware running free software. 318 00:23:56,993 --> 00:24:01,133 Now the unsupported part, this e-waste part, is both important in terms of what 319 00:24:01,133 --> 00:24:04,393 is already e-waste, that's the unsupported, or what would be e-waste, 320 00:24:04,493 --> 00:24:05,733 that's the unsupported part. 321 00:24:05,833 --> 00:24:09,653 So people have devices, perhaps at home, that they just have lying there in 322 00:24:09,653 --> 00:24:11,913 their closet or in their drawer. They don't know what to do with it. 323 00:24:12,053 --> 00:24:15,453 I've actually learned since starting this project that many people save those 324 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:18,713 devices because they have data on it, which I found really interesting. 325 00:24:18,833 --> 00:24:22,493 It's very different than how I think of these things, but they think of as archives 326 00:24:22,493 --> 00:24:27,993 of their data, which is an obstacle for when trying to put new software on it. 327 00:24:28,893 --> 00:24:32,973 So one of the hooks we have is you can take your old device and give it a new life. 328 00:24:33,313 --> 00:24:34,593 In fact, we're using this bring 329 00:24:34,593 --> 00:24:39,293 it back to life as a sort of a catch to bring people to these events. 330 00:24:41,253 --> 00:24:44,393 And one of the reasons is because free software excels in this area. 331 00:24:44,693 --> 00:24:48,833 You know, we've been doing, Oh, I have to go quickly. We've been doing this 332 00:24:48,833 --> 00:24:50,373 for so long. It's a blue ocean. 333 00:24:50,913 --> 00:24:55,293 No one else is in this space, but it's not only about unsupported hardware. 334 00:24:55,553 --> 00:24:58,833 New hardware that's running Linux means you can run that hardware to the end 335 00:24:58,833 --> 00:25:00,653 of the hardware operating life, right? 336 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:04,913 It's not just about old devices. Also new devices that are running Linux will run for longer. 337 00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:11,602 I'm just going to take another two or three minutes, and then I have 15. Okay. 338 00:25:15,062 --> 00:25:18,802 One of the things we want to do is visibility. Cornelius brought this up in his presentation. 339 00:25:19,102 --> 00:25:22,922 This is a screenshot from the K-Eco Lab. This is the remote access that was 340 00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,682 mentioned yesterday in the Sustainable Software Goal. 341 00:25:26,482 --> 00:25:32,802 We can now run from GitLab a usage scenario script to get energy consumption 342 00:25:32,802 --> 00:25:37,522 reports back for developers, also for end users, 343 00:25:37,742 --> 00:25:43,442 by pointing out the transparency that we're doing in KDE in terms of our energy consumption. 344 00:25:44,282 --> 00:25:48,762 The documentation we're putting in the website, this is from Ocular's EcoTab. 345 00:25:50,802 --> 00:25:54,422 If you're interested in the topic of measurement, we're going to have a BOF 346 00:25:54,422 --> 00:25:57,722 on Monday, tomorrow at three. 347 00:25:58,502 --> 00:26:01,622 Please come by. There's a lot to do here. There's a lot of interesting things we can do. 348 00:26:01,702 --> 00:26:04,562 And I'll come back to that in a second. we're running workshops so when 349 00:26:04,562 --> 00:26:07,682 we do these events where we're presenting pamphlets and stuff we're trying 350 00:26:07,682 --> 00:26:11,022 to have a a workshop coming right 351 00:26:11,022 --> 00:26:14,042 afterwards um so this is uh 352 00:26:14,042 --> 00:26:17,662 one so we've already had four workshops um 353 00:26:17,662 --> 00:26:20,622 this is going to be a monthly workshop that we're doing at a culture yoga 354 00:26:20,622 --> 00:26:23,602 center in berlin i'm trying to do outreach 355 00:26:23,602 --> 00:26:26,302 to people we think might be interested in the topic 356 00:26:26,302 --> 00:26:29,802 of sustainability but haven't thought about in the digital space um this 357 00:26:29,802 --> 00:26:33,422 is currently in planning will probably start in october with once 358 00:26:33,422 --> 00:26:37,502 a month people know they can go there on a friday evening at eight o'clock there's 359 00:26:37,502 --> 00:26:40,942 a community kitchen serving food it's very popular there's usually about 30 360 00:26:40,942 --> 00:26:46,962 40 people from the neighborhood who come by and we can offer support this is 361 00:26:46,962 --> 00:26:52,342 one initiative of many in berlin i've since learned that berlin actually has a really strong repair, 362 00:26:52,902 --> 00:26:56,762 cafe culture that is actually doing this kind of stuff already and we're trying 363 00:26:56,762 --> 00:26:59,722 to network them in order to build a network within Berlin. 364 00:27:00,222 --> 00:27:04,482 We would love to take this outside of just one place and do it in many places. 365 00:27:04,582 --> 00:27:06,842 So if you're interested in this topic, you want to get involved, 366 00:27:07,142 --> 00:27:10,802 please be in touch. We would like to expand this so it's not just a couple of 367 00:27:10,802 --> 00:27:12,302 people in Berlin, but it's potentially global. 368 00:27:14,517 --> 00:27:19,157 And as Nicole pointed out, Nicole has done some amazing work doing outreach to schools, 369 00:27:19,337 --> 00:27:25,177 events in Hanover, the first, hopefully first of many, where we're teaching 370 00:27:25,177 --> 00:27:29,537 children how to revive what would be e-waste devices in use. 371 00:27:29,957 --> 00:27:35,297 And this is good for the environment. It's good for actual penguins. 372 00:27:35,397 --> 00:27:37,417 It's also good for Linux, right? 373 00:27:37,677 --> 00:27:40,997 There are many reasons. This is really one of those areas where I think we can 374 00:27:40,997 --> 00:27:47,497 really have an impact. I think the sustainability issues around manufacturing are, as we saw, huge. 375 00:27:47,717 --> 00:27:50,277 And I actually think it's one of those areas, I was thinking about it, 376 00:27:50,337 --> 00:28:00,797 where, what's the term, when, I'm blanking on the term, backfire. 377 00:28:01,077 --> 00:28:07,857 When you have a certain amount of efficiency gains, often that means you then 378 00:28:07,857 --> 00:28:12,417 use things more that you end up consuming more because of those efficiency gains. 379 00:28:13,197 --> 00:28:16,917 But I actually think device longevity is not one of those areas. 380 00:28:17,117 --> 00:28:19,837 If you keep a device in use, you're not going to buy a new device. 381 00:28:20,457 --> 00:28:23,417 Most people aren't. Most people are just happy to keep using that device. 382 00:28:24,137 --> 00:28:27,097 So it's not an area where I think that it means people will consume then two 383 00:28:27,097 --> 00:28:30,157 or three times more devices potentially, but they'll keep using a device. 384 00:28:30,297 --> 00:28:34,717 And if we can keep devices in use, so all of those estimates are based on an 385 00:28:34,717 --> 00:28:37,097 assumption of five years of operating life. 386 00:28:37,097 --> 00:28:41,797 If we can keep devices in use for eight years, ten years, that's a huge savings 387 00:28:41,797 --> 00:28:46,437 when you scale it up to users in terms of energy and CO2 emissions. 388 00:28:48,577 --> 00:28:52,217 OK, how can you contribute? We have a BOF. There are many topics to discuss. 389 00:28:52,697 --> 00:28:55,537 I have three in particular, but I'll just mention. So design, 390 00:28:55,757 --> 00:28:57,917 documentation. This is the EcoTab. 391 00:28:58,597 --> 00:29:00,177 Things like minimal system requirements. 392 00:29:01,017 --> 00:29:05,177 Discussions about that. Organizing workshops, campaigns or having this idea 393 00:29:05,177 --> 00:29:09,437 of an oldest hardware competition. who can run KDE Plasma on the oldest piece of hardware. 394 00:29:09,897 --> 00:29:13,077 I don't know what the prize is yet, but I have to think about it. 395 00:29:14,497 --> 00:29:17,617 Marketing, we're thinking about measuring different software products and doing 396 00:29:17,617 --> 00:29:23,237 some marketing out of that to show energy consumption and different products for that. 397 00:29:23,857 --> 00:29:27,797 Translation would be really helpful. We would like to take this to many places, 398 00:29:27,877 --> 00:29:30,257 these kinds of pamphlets, organized events. 399 00:29:30,937 --> 00:29:34,137 We need translators. Two things I would like to point out in particular, 400 00:29:34,137 --> 00:29:37,137 This EcoTab is an idea that we've been discussing for a while. 401 00:29:37,237 --> 00:29:39,097 Actually, a lot of work has already been done on it. 402 00:29:39,557 --> 00:29:43,817 It just needs a couple of extra steps to make it across the finish line. 403 00:29:43,897 --> 00:29:48,517 We're almost there. We have so much that if someone wants to help out with this, it would be great. 404 00:29:48,737 --> 00:29:53,157 We can get this into KDE software where we can include information about the 405 00:29:53,157 --> 00:29:57,197 sustainability aspects of free software, including things like Blue Angel certification 406 00:29:57,197 --> 00:29:59,357 and energy consumption reports. 407 00:30:01,203 --> 00:30:04,363 Um and design if you're interested in design we have an amazing designer 408 00:30:04,363 --> 00:30:07,223 anita who's doing great work but we would like to get more people 409 00:30:07,223 --> 00:30:10,243 in the community involved to make really beautiful katie's already doing 410 00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:13,323 such amazing work making the software beautiful i would 411 00:30:13,323 --> 00:30:17,363 love some help making some of our materials beautiful in this particular project 412 00:30:17,363 --> 00:30:21,343 and then we have a measurement buff and a couple of things we want to talk about 413 00:30:21,343 --> 00:30:26,563 there is this k eco lab this energy consumption measurement lab katie eco test 414 00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:30,983 which i'll talk about in just a second as well as ideas like the EcoCI tool 415 00:30:30,983 --> 00:30:32,563 from Green Coding Solutions. 416 00:30:33,103 --> 00:30:37,443 They've actually been very helpful with setting up our lab. Arna came to many 417 00:30:37,443 --> 00:30:39,203 of our sprints, helped us set up our lab. 418 00:30:39,343 --> 00:30:41,523 They're designing their own tooling for measuring software. 419 00:30:41,723 --> 00:30:45,463 They're also designing tooling to measure the embodied carbon of software development 420 00:30:45,463 --> 00:30:51,703 to get an idea of how much CO2 emissions are associated with the development of software itself. 421 00:30:52,223 --> 00:30:55,763 And this is a tool that's actually been, Arna made a merge request. 422 00:30:56,023 --> 00:30:58,543 There's some discussion about how KDE can integrate it. 423 00:30:58,823 --> 00:31:01,443 I'd be interested to know if developers would actually be interested in this. 424 00:31:01,863 --> 00:31:05,863 Come to the BOF, discuss it with me in the breaks. I would love your feedback. 425 00:31:06,563 --> 00:31:11,903 And usage scenario scripting, this came up in the goals discussion yesterday. 426 00:31:12,123 --> 00:31:15,923 Selenium is a great tool for many things, also for energy consumption measurements, 427 00:31:16,183 --> 00:31:21,163 but also KDEcoTest, which doesn't require access to the source code, is another such tool. 428 00:31:22,523 --> 00:31:25,603 So this is KDEcoLab. I'm just going to skip over this and the measurement BOF. 429 00:31:25,703 --> 00:31:32,823 This is This is KDEcoTest, it's an emulation tool designed with help from Emmanuel from Gcompre, 430 00:31:34,163 --> 00:31:38,163 who has worked on trying to make the emulation tooling easier to use so that 431 00:31:38,163 --> 00:31:43,583 it's more accessible to people to make scripts so that we can emulate user behavior 432 00:31:43,583 --> 00:31:44,943 to get energy consumption reports. 433 00:31:46,323 --> 00:31:49,563 And I just have a couple of open thoughts. I didn't know where to put these in the slides. 434 00:31:49,843 --> 00:31:53,803 And there are two in particular that I think are, I'm very interested in. 435 00:31:53,803 --> 00:31:56,843 How low is too low for minimum hardware requirements 436 00:31:56,843 --> 00:32:03,143 right plasma is not going to run on this like kd software does it's ported haiku 437 00:32:03,143 --> 00:32:07,763 is the operating system um haiku is one of the places where the 90s are still 438 00:32:07,763 --> 00:32:14,343 alive um it's uh incredible actually how much they can do um do we want to do that, 439 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,220 And I'm guessing, no, I mean, this is old hardware, right? 440 00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:23,260 But maybe we do, or maybe we want to think about it. Maybe we want to think 441 00:32:23,260 --> 00:32:24,980 about consciously, where do we want to make the cutoff? 442 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,100 Where do we want to say as a community, no, we think lower than this is just 443 00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:31,920 not worth our energy because we're a limited resource here. 444 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,260 But maybe we want to go further back, or maybe it's not that hard to do, 445 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,440 or maybe things like PinePhone is going to require us to go back. 446 00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:42,100 So maybe this is something I want to think about. How low is too low? 447 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:49,600 What about design decisions like having UEFI as a requirement, right? 448 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,340 What is that going to exclude? That's fine. It's a totally valid decision to 449 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:56,280 make, but it's going to exclude a lot of hardware. 450 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,380 Is that what we want to do for what we're doing here, or do we want to do something 451 00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:02,080 else? I think these are questions we should ask. 452 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,880 Download for updates. If we have three gigabyte downloads, I know that's not 453 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,360 an issue long term, but right now it is with this immutable OS, 454 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,680 that's going to exclude a lot of populations where they don't have good internet, right? 455 00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:21,800 Is this the kind of thing we want to do or do we want to support those communities in what we're doing? 456 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:26,620 Of course, Plasma can be included in other distros that are focusing on these things. 457 00:33:27,380 --> 00:33:30,220 But what do we want to do as a community? What do we want to focus on? 458 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,700 And another thing is improving performance on lower spec hardware. 459 00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,240 This came up in the chat room, idea of documenting 460 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,280 what improves responsiveness and resource usage things 461 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,120 that you can turn on and off maybe baloo can be turned off on lower spec hardware 462 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:52,840 to increase uh the to give uh more resources for other things um is there a 463 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,700 way we can have an automated system to identify some of these things and even 464 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:59,340 better can we have an automated system that then matches these you know, 465 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,640 improvements to the responsiveness with just a click of a button um can we do 466 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,580 we want to do something like that. 467 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,340 This would allow us to then keep supporting older hardware that has lower spec 468 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:13,240 and give us features that are, you know, for the newest hardware if we want 469 00:34:13,240 --> 00:34:15,600 that, if we want to offer that, right? So these are some of the questions I 470 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,500 just had some open thoughts about. 471 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,180 I'm going to leave it at that and then we can do a few questions. 472 00:34:32,622 --> 00:34:37,442 Okay, so as a Plasma developer, I would love to have such a dashboard, 473 00:34:37,662 --> 00:34:43,642 at least to have a tap on do we improve things or do we regress things. 474 00:34:44,902 --> 00:34:48,742 I have a question about hardware, because software, yeah, 475 00:34:48,942 --> 00:34:51,702 it's one part of the puzzle, but we still 476 00:34:51,702 --> 00:34:54,862 have problem with hardware for example i've got 477 00:34:54,862 --> 00:35:00,242 laptop and because of my butterfingers i dropped it and i have now cracking 478 00:35:00,242 --> 00:35:08,782 my display i want to replace it but there is no way how i can do it and so basically 479 00:35:08,782 --> 00:35:13,102 my question is does the eu have some, 480 00:35:13,902 --> 00:35:22,462 legislature for things such as right to repair or other plans or other um, 481 00:35:24,382 --> 00:35:31,802 some motions to passage law so basically like like in the us there's louis rossmann, 482 00:35:32,462 --> 00:35:39,302 who's advocating for right to repair and i was wondering if the eu also has something like this, 483 00:35:40,522 --> 00:35:45,742 Because, yeah, software is, it's one part of the puzzle, but hardware is much 484 00:35:45,742 --> 00:35:49,782 a bigger problem and I believe that it still needs to be somehow tackled. 485 00:35:51,822 --> 00:35:55,242 So the project is focused mostly on the software aspect, sustainable software 486 00:35:55,242 --> 00:35:55,922 for sustainable hardware. 487 00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,182 Actual right to repair legislation, I know there is some, I don't know the details 488 00:35:59,182 --> 00:36:00,742 of it. I bet you someone here does. 489 00:36:10,042 --> 00:36:17,722 There is this during the due to this legislation for right to repair there is this, 490 00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:22,342 repairability index for hardware especially in 491 00:36:22,342 --> 00:36:25,482 the context of France so if you buy and purchase new 492 00:36:25,482 --> 00:36:28,702 equipment you can make like 493 00:36:28,702 --> 00:36:31,682 an informal decision and see for how long 494 00:36:31,682 --> 00:36:34,622 your hardware world will be supported in a way that you 495 00:36:34,622 --> 00:36:38,202 will have an access to um repairing manuals to 496 00:36:38,202 --> 00:36:41,242 spare parts and also for 497 00:36:41,242 --> 00:36:45,002 the guarantee so this movement 498 00:36:45,002 --> 00:36:51,802 and this like awareness is growing especially in europe but also what uh what 499 00:36:51,802 --> 00:36:56,982 kde eco is doing here rising awareness among like the end users in terms of 500 00:36:56,982 --> 00:37:01,322 like making more sustainable and aware choices, 501 00:37:01,462 --> 00:37:03,622 I think it's also extremely important. 502 00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:08,082 Legislation is one thing, but also from the bottom is extremely important to 503 00:37:08,082 --> 00:37:11,622 educate the end customers. 504 00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:26,880 Laptop is um easily repairable and 505 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,300 like most people just look at the laptop price 506 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:33,460 and and buy it like they won't even think 507 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:37,400 about hey do i need to to repair it etc so um 508 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,240 maybe maybe just one thing i think we have to wrap up 509 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,300 in a second maybe just one thing a final comment there are various um uh hardware 510 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:51,120 producers um slimbook uh framework uh frameworks fairphone etc that are trying 511 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,940 to at least think of some of these things in terms of not having the hardware 512 00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,160 have batteries glued on. 513 00:37:59,660 --> 00:38:02,220 I know Slimbook, I was talking with them the other day, and they have a lot 514 00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:04,080 of parts that they can repair. 515 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,540 If you have a broken component, they can repair many of these things. 516 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:11,440 Frameworks has this whole modular idea. Fairphone has a modular approach. 517 00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:15,740 So I think there are things that are related that actually KDE is in touch with. 518 00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:19,580 And we can actually bring up some of of those things when we're reaching out 519 00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:23,460 to people of the hardware providers that we know are doing things better but 520 00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:29,300 there is a whole world out there that's um another uh i have a question about the. 521 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,800 What territory all this is applying to because you said you had uh for example, 522 00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:41,040 um a budget for advertising and for that i'm guessing this is only for germany, 523 00:38:42,140 --> 00:38:51,200 because it's no you so you could actually publish an advertisement in a Spanish 524 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,780 newspaper for example or if there was a budget for it yep, 525 00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,060 as far as I know there's no, 526 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:00,600 I don't remember what it was but, 527 00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:06,660 there's no restriction on where we spend that money for the advertisements as 528 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:09,480 long as it's related to the project we have to justify why we're spending it there, 529 00:39:11,629 --> 00:39:14,369 And I would love to do something. I mean, I keep thinking about Firefox. 530 00:39:14,469 --> 00:39:16,269 We're there in New York Times, Two Page. 531 00:39:17,249 --> 00:39:21,809 You know, we could do something with that. Maybe not that, but we can do something 532 00:39:21,809 --> 00:39:23,869 that's high impact. We have a budget. 533 00:39:24,549 --> 00:39:29,589 So if there's an event in another country and we want to do flyers or stuff 534 00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:31,509 like that? We have a budget for it. Yeah. 535 00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:39,529 Related to this project. That's for the funding. For the funding. Yeah. Yeah. 536 00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:44,869 Okay. So basically related to the comment before. 537 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:50,929 So in my opinion, even before repairing broken stuff, there's the issue that 538 00:39:50,929 --> 00:39:54,989 the electronic devices, at least for me, everything still works, 539 00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:56,389 but the batteries are worn down. 540 00:39:56,929 --> 00:40:01,729 And I don't get new batteries anymore. So because of the batteries worn down, 541 00:40:01,809 --> 00:40:03,309 I need a new device. That sucks. 542 00:40:05,409 --> 00:40:08,229 Yes, that's a huge issue. And that's why it's important not to glue them on. 543 00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:12,889 And it's important to have devices that can replace batteries. I mean, yeah. 544 00:40:20,949 --> 00:40:27,249 Yeah. So the comment for the people online is that also the way the software, 545 00:40:27,389 --> 00:40:30,769 the demands of the software on the hardware will also wear down the battery more quickly. 546 00:40:31,229 --> 00:40:35,229 That's another argument for efficiency and in software development.